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Posted on Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:10 pm

Mad_Hatter

Joined: 19 Feb 2006
Posts: 393

I meant that the brain for that individual was allowing the consciousness to percieve outside the body.
DanielH wrote:
Do you mean with that one person? How do you suggest I do that?

And i'm not saying you can do that. A cheap argument maybe, but you can't always prove everything. As far as what the brain is using to percieve the outside world, I could not tell you. As people have reported (sans documentation, if I could find Monroe's stuff that'd be different) seeing things that they couldn't, I doubt it is one of the normal everyday 5 senses. Perhaps it is that part of the brain referanced in those articles, the "angular gyrus". I could not tell you as I am not an expert in brain functions, and as far as I know little serious research has gone into it.

EDIT:http://www.paradigm-sys.com/ctt_articles2.cfm?id=50
That site, while not a real scientific study (sigh) is the scientist that worked with Monroe and with Miss Z. You've probably already read it, but for anybody else who wanted to make their own calls on whether OBEs are really out of body or all in your head, there it is.
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Posted on Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:53 pm

slowboy

Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 15

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Brain activity still goes on in the brain. It's just a feeling is all. Can you find anything solid saying otherwise?


So are you saying people make up scenarios, feel them out and come on this forum to tell us all about it??

- and it couldn't be a "real" dream, because a person knows when one is Lucid Dreaming by using the "reality check"
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Posted on Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:19 pm

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

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So are you saying people make up scenarios, feel them out and come on this forum to tell us all about it??

- and it couldn't be a "real" dream, because a person knows when one is Lucid Dreaming by using the "reality check"


- slowboy

Yep. I am saying that. People use their imagination, dreaming, or just lying. False memories and all that stuff.

Isn't one of the dangers of lucid dreaming forgetting that it's just a dream? Or getting convinced that you're crazy for thinking it's all a dream?
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Posted on Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:41 pm

Peebrain

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Joined: 27 Nov 2005
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DanielH, we've already been over this. For those that aren't aware, we had this debate in this thread:

http://psipog.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2443

~Sean
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Posted on Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:24 pm

slowboy

Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 15

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Yep. I am saying that. People use their imagination, dreaming, or just lying. False memories and all that stuff.

Isn't one of the dangers of lucid dreaming forgetting that it's just a dream? Or getting convinced that you're crazy for thinking it's all a dream?


So in other words, when you "had" one you just lied... So get off this forum. We don't need ppl like you. Srry but not to offend you much but you just fully contradict yourself and jump down ppl's throat in a "pleasant scientific" manner.
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Posted on Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:42 pm

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

Lied? Nope. It was just my imagination is all. I didn't say everyone lies. I said some people do.
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Posted on Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:56 pm

wushu_psion

Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 104

i take it you guies have nefer herd of the mind split theory?
robert bruce discovered it when he was out of body... he was floating around, and then saw his physical body, his physical body looked back(having clairvoyant sight at the time). this caused astral feedback... ect...

the point is that it causes a split in conciousness, this is why most new astral projectors feel the vibrations ect... but dont remember any projection, because the physical bodys memories are stronger than the etheric bodys...
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Posted on Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:03 am

cjay

Joined: 12 May 2006
Posts: 28

After reading replyes and that link I feel they are real either though im yet to expirence.


Can OBE lead to astral projection?? Im scared of AP and I dont want to any possible way end up there. I heard Lucid Draming can lead to OBE so I was wondering does OBE somtimes lead to AP?
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Posted on Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:16 am

PK_11

Joined: 28 May 2006
Posts: 142

OBE refers to both Astral Projection and Etheric Projection, if I'm not mistaken. In both situations, you feel "out of body".
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Posted on Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:36 pm

Mad_Hatter

Joined: 19 Feb 2006
Posts: 393

Why would you be scared? And yes, OBE's can lead to astral projection, from what I know, OBE tends to mean etheric projection, which can then lead to astral, as stated before. Lucid dreams can also lead to OBEs, but you usually have to try and invoke them. But theres nothing to be scared of, really.
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Posted on Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:44 pm

cjay

Joined: 12 May 2006
Posts: 28

Because I heard AP can be very dangerious off halo's old site, and AP has monsters and when they attack you, you can wake up in real life blind. I also read to be friendly to them or they may possibly ATTACK you, you gotta use psi back which I can barely do. And from a previous post a guide is waiting for you?? that might freak me out or somthin.
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Posted on Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:22 pm

infected

Joined: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 104

cjay I don't know where you get your info but it's not true. You won't go blind for anything while out of body, and if you confront an "evil" entity you can just think about being somewhere else and *puf* you're there. And if you have fears about OBE you won't make it out anyway, first you have to free your mind of all the detachments that its holding to.

peace ?
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:42 am

cjay

Joined: 12 May 2006
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my bad Halo's site made AP look scary, im not scared of obe i been trying for almost 2 weeks straight I just wasnt trying to slip into AP
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:18 pm

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

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i take it you guies have nefer herd of the mind split theory?
robert bruce discovered it when he was out of body... he was floating around, and then saw his physical body, his physical body looked back(having clairvoyant sight at the time). this caused astral feedback... ect...

the point is that it causes a split in conciousness, this is why most new astral projectors feel the vibrations ect... but dont remember any projection, because the physical bodys memories are stronger than the etheric bodys...


- wushu_psion

Thinking multiple things at once is a normal thing, isn't it? I don't fully understand what you mean.
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Posted on Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:38 am

thenadnil

Joined: 01 Apr 2006
Posts: 30

i have proof of why i know obe's are real, but i cant mention it for 2 reasions, #1 the rules say i cant and #2 some of you will just think its a load of crap anyways, but i got relly close to obe once and i got relly scared so ive decided im proabablly never going to do it agian.
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