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joe t's video on Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:41 pm

flip357

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 11

ok, im sure that most of you have seen joe t's new video were he moves a remote. right when it begins and joe brings his hands near it there is a weird wobble thing that happens. the remote wobbles back and forth not side to side but longways. Do other people see that or is that something only my computer is doing? any insight into what that motion is from??
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:01 am

Kief

Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 120

My assessment of the videos on here is that they are nothing but illusion, with the exception of annie's one video, which could be caused by heat rising. I have heard her live demonstrations were quite good though. But I can't say save from anecdotes.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:12 am

randywm

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 510

Kief, stop putting down our members with your Psi hate. Flip, I believe those videos are real. Dont let a closed mind impede your progress.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:17 am

neveza

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 1147

Prove me all these videos are fake, I don't want assumptions, I want actual proof.

I trust in their films.

I've not the time or speed of connection to watch JoeT's film, you specify, so I can't really say anything about the odd, movement.
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Re: joe t's video on Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:35 am

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

flip357 wrote:
ok, im sure that most of you have seen joe t's new video were he moves a remote. right when it begins and joe brings his hands near it there is a weird wobble thing that happens. the remote wobbles back and forth not side to side but longways. Do other people see that or is that something only my computer is doing? any insight into what that motion is from??


I haven't seen this video, nor can I find it on the forums or the website.

Link, please?
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:47 pm

bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

Kief wrote:
My assessment of the videos on here is that they are nothing but illusion, with the exception of annie's one video, which could be caused by heat rising. I have heard her live demonstrations were quite good though. But I can't say save from anecdotes.

just go away kief you have no business here....and when I put my hands to a psiwheel it bobbles a little...
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:54 pm

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

Here you go Mattz, front page man.
http://www.psipog.net/home.php

As for the videos, I trust them, Peebrain, Annie, Rainsong, JoeT, they are very respected by me, and I do not disbelieve anything they tell me or show me. (except for the April Fools jokes Laughing)

EDIT: I was giving some general names of members that I greatly respect, there are obviously more that I didn't mention, so don't feel down if I didn't mention you. Wink
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:15 pm

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

Oh. Rofl, that's just him setting his hands on the table. Obviously, the table isn't perfectly seated upon the ground, it wobbles a bit.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:50 pm

Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

somefatguy wrote:
As for the videos, I trust them, Peebrain, Annie, Rainsong, JoeT, they are very respected by me, and I do not disbelieve anything they tell me or show me. (except for the April Fools jokes Laughing)


I love you to, sfg
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:06 pm

MikeV

Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 402

Notice as he brings his arms in? My mind tells me He hits the table with his arm that causes the web cam to wobble therefor the picture went funny for a second. plain as.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:08 pm

Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

randywm wrote:
Kief, stop putting down our members with your Psi hate. Flip, I believe those videos are real. Dont let a closed mind impede your progress.


All you gotta do is agree with him and he will go away. Kief, he completely used hilusinagents to make us believe he moved the remote.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:18 pm

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

Apollo wrote:
somefatguy wrote:
As for the videos, I trust them, Peebrain, Annie, Rainsong, JoeT, they are very respected by me, and I do not disbelieve anything they tell me or show me. (except for the April Fools jokes Laughing)


I love you to, sfg


You love me? Embarassed You make me blush...*giggles*
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:20 pm

Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

sarcasm that you didnt enter my name ^^ : P

i love you anyway Very Happy
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Posted on Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:52 pm

JoeT

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 349

Hello Kief,

Kief wrote:
My assessment of the videos on here is that they are nothing but illusion, with the exception of annie's one video, which could be caused by heat rising. I have heard her live demonstrations were quite good though. But I can't say save from anecdotes.


Alright, you made two mistakes. Your first mistake was to say that my video clips are faked and an illusion without showing any proof aside from your horrible skeptical attitude. The second mistake you made was making this comment at this time. I'm currently going through some family issues and I'm quite pissed off. So, I'll give this to you like you deserve.

Over the past few months I've seen you spread your ridiculous opinions based on Psychokinesis (PK). At one point you decided to make several fake videos trying to get the point across that anyone can fake them. However, you have yet to impress myself and the other staff members by this. You love to spread your opinion stating "Psychokinesis (PK) is not real" yet you fail to realize that Psychokinesis (PK) has been tested and proven by scientific testing in the past.

Since your unable to do your own research on Psychokinesis (PK), I'll be glad to give you an quick history lesson. Perhaps this will stop the spread of false, ignorant statements. You've finally stepped on my toes. Your mistake.

The history of Psychokinesis (PK) dates back thousands of years where people wrote about how man could move objects without psychical force. Parts of the bible speaks of Psychokinesis (PK) as well. The Egyptians sketched in drawings Psychokinesis (PK) as well as Gods who came down from the sky who had these amazing abilities.

Psychokinesis (PK) has been documented throughout mankind?s history. However, it was not until modern times that humans started to scientifically test Psychokinesis (PK) existence. People such as Joseph Banks Rhine, Nina Kulagina, Helmut Schmidt, Robert Jahn, Dean Radin etc, all contributed to the study of Psychokinesis (PK). Allow me to give you some information based on these people and organizations that they worked with.

Joseph Banks Rhine: J.B Rhine is the founder of the Rhine Research Center. Joseph spent many years scientifically testing psychic functioning which included Psychokinesis (PK). His research alone made a permanent mark on the research of psychic functioning and is still regarded as hard evidence. He died in 1980.

Robert G. Jahn: Robert was the director of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR). Robert and his associates performed and scientifically tested psychic functioning which included the study of Psychokinesis (PK).

Nina Kulagina: Nina was a Russian woman who actively participated in Psychokinesis (PK) experiments and studies performed by the Soviet government. Nina is best known for her unbelievable PK skills. Throughout several years of studies and experiments performed by Soviet scientist, Nina alone supplied scientist with factual/tested data on Psychokinesis (PK). The Soviets used Nina for many psychic related experiments.

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab: PEAR for short, was established at Princeton University in 1979 by Robert G. Jahn. PEAR spent several years providing solid scientific support for PK functioning as well as other psychic functioning.

Rhine Research Center Institute for Parapsychology: The Rhine institute has been operational since it's founder Joseph Banks Rhine founded it in 1962. When Joseph started this organization, he titled it Foundation for Research on the Nature of Man (FRNM) which in 1995 was changed to the Rhine Research Center Institute for Parapsychology in honor of the 100th anniversary of J. B. Rhine's birth.

If you would like to learn more about these people or these organizations, please check the bottom of this page for the links that I've supplied. Now, I've only named a handful of names and organizations which helped support Psychokinesis (PK) existence through scientific research. There are hundred people, websites, organizations and communities worthy of mentioning however I'll leave that for you to research.

Your main problem is that you can't comprehend or accept that Psychokinesis (PK) is real and proven. How dare you neglect scientific research and call yourself a skeptic. You my friend are not a skeptic, you're a fool.

I've seen your fake video clips and you certainly did bring up a good point. Video clips can be easily faked. I'm sure people have faked videos and people will continue to. However, please do not neglect hard work. I have spent several years of my life studying and practicing Psychokinesis (PK). Over the years, I have taught and lectured people in classrooms, telephone conversations, email, seminars and of course chat rooms based on the practice and existence of Psychokinesis (PK). Excuse me for being upset when someone walks into a community where I am active in and says "Yeah, it's fake. Just an illusion". That is not only disrespectful, it's foolish.

You're discussing your point of view in a community that is based on learning psychic functioning. We welcome healthy skepticism with open arms. We have a section of our forum dedicated to skepticism. However, what we don't welcome is bad skepticism. What you are currently displaying is bad skepticism.

If you wish to call yourself a good skeptic, you need to understand what is a good skeptic really is. Allow me to share with you some traits of a good skeptic:

1) A good skeptic shares his or her opinion in an respectable manner.

2) A good skeptic puts in the time of research to fully understand their opponents argument.

3) Although persistent, a good skeptic allows other people to share their opinion without personally attacking that person.

4) A good skeptic knows when he or she is wrong.

Please try to comprehend what I'm saying. You need to stop stereotyping another?s work without showing any probable cause or evidence to back up your statements. Don't look at something and say "Well, it's fake because I think it is" because that will get you nowhere in debates or conversations.

As of now, I have no respect for you. I'm sure you've lost the respect of many others as well. If you wish to gain my respect or others please learn how to be a good skeptic. If you wish to deny another?s work, please come with something other than your opinion on the matter if you wish to state something as serious as "That isn't real".

This rant slowly became a helpful small article. I guess I must have calmed down while I was writing this. However, the fact remains that you were disrespectful and your attitude towards Psychokinesis (PK) is absolutely ridiculous. This is your warning, do not state accusations on my work unless you have probable cause and evidence. If I hear that you disrespect my work again, my attitude will change and you'll find yourself being lectured again.

Also, flip357 asked a question that I'll be more than willing to answer. The wobbling that my video has is due to my web cam being supported by a small box on top of my computer. I was trying to get an above view and my web cam had to be place on top of something. The wobbling was probably due to the box being unsteady and I apologize for that.

Links:

1) www.rhine.org
2) www.princeton.edu/~pear/
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina
4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Banks_Rhine
5) http://paranormal.about.com/cs/telekinesis/

Take care.

- JoeT
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Posted on Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:26 am

randywm

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 510

Joe, I think thats the post that Kief needed.
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