PsiPog.net

View topic - Call Lightning

PsiPog.net Forum Index » Psychokinesis » Call Lightning

Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next

Call Lightning

Author

Message

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:27 am

psiready

Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 93

Martial Artist, I too would like to believe that you can teleport, pass through walls, multiply etc. Because I have read all the scriptures and sutras and texts which detail stories and hint at powers. I also believe (at least similarly) that concentration is the only key factor to having utmost supernormal powers. I like to keep these ideas and fantasies but unlike most other people in this forum I lack actual experience in trying. I think before you even joined this forum I had already to divised a plan in which I would cultivate the six higher Buddhist powers and then roam about the world having fun and flying. Sadly I realize that at least the people in this forum try and I have not. So I'm getting the feeling that you are clinging to fantasies and have not even tried teleporting or flying. It seems you are keeping them far but not to far so as to learn them whenever you like. The truth is, you have to start now and it's not as easy as you think.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:51 am

MartialArtist

Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 582

Quote:

It seems you are keeping them far but not to far so as to learn them whenever you like. The truth is, you have to start now and it's not as easy as you think.

I have already started.

Again: You (in general) do not have to practice psionic skills or higher powers to perform them eventually. That's my whole point: Why practice on one single skill in specific and cling to that when you can instead train the source of all these skills and master them all..eventually? That is why I indeed keep them far but not too far. I use them when necessary or when my intentions are honest and fit the moment. I lack interest in these skills to dedicate my time in practicing one specific skill. My goal is the highest I know of: full liberation. That is my only true desire and everything I will gain along that path is nice but nothing of lasting value.

I think your post was subconsicously directed more towards your self than to me. We often reflect ourselves upon others. So I would say: why wait with the practice if you feel that you have to start now because you think it ain't easy? My goals ain't the siddhi's so I see no lasting benefit in practicing any specific one of them. If someone wants to develop one certain siddhi, then yes I would advice you to practice that siddhi alot. However, if you want to master them all, practicing a certain siddhi will not suffice IMO.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:57 am

psiready

Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 93

No I just realized that you and I were quite alike in our ideals so I thought I would just try to enlighten you.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:00 am

MartialArtist

Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 582

haha thanks. I appreciate that gesture.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:35 am

DemonHunter

Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 100

I believe it would be amazing if actually anyone understood what MartialArtist wanted to say.

I think you don't have to search or work for anything in order to find it. There's no need. Buddha seemed to having thought about that similarly, because he taught something like desire is the cause of suffering and cessation of desire will lead to reaching a blessed state. The elemental understanding of existence was in Buddhas view suffering. So...

Do you want to satisfy your desires or go deeper into the rabbit hole?

It is really hard to point something out with words so that everyone understands it the way it is intended.

Especially in written words...

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:09 am

Gonzo

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 798

DemonHunter wrote:

I believe it would be amazing if actually anyone understood what MartialArtist wanted to say.

I understood completely what MartialArtist was saying/wanting to say, he is wise.
I too have experience with directing lightning during storms, it is all about willing and knowing what you want to achieve.

My experience with lightning control was together with a friend, it was during a lightning storm a few months ago (october or so). I was outside in my garden and we wanted to try to controll the lightning strikes. What I did was just "willing" the lightning flash to be at a specific place in the air. My friend at that moment started counting down from 3 to 1, at 1 there was a huge flash exactly at the place I was intending it to appear. We did this a few times the same night, and everytime it happened exactly at the place we wanted it to strike.

As MA said, you do not need to practice for ages to master anything, as long as the intention and attention is there it will happen, whether you practiced for years or just a few days.

~Gonzo

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:27 am

McLoud

Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 56

DemonHunter wrote:

I believe it would be amazing if actually anyone understood what MartialArtist wanted to say.

I understand what he said, truly amazing would be to accomplish what he said one can.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:09 pm

SpiritNL

Joined: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 43

Amen @ MA

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:59 pm

MartialArtist

Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 582

Sorry if my words are too mystic at times. Many aspects of expressing knowledge are difficult cause you have to deal with alot of different people and therefore alot of different perspectives and levels of understanding. Im glad that at least some understand it so I am not just talking to myself Wink

. But I perfectly understand your point DemonHunter. You are not the only one who doesn't understand everything I say or see it as vague. I have to admit, my words often are very vague =), but that doesn't keep me from expressing it though. Expressing is like creating, it's a beautiful process and it teaches me (and perhaps someone out there) alot.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:25 pm

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1187

MartialArtist wrote:

Of course vagueness doesn't stop you from expressing yourself. But, what is the point when you are not expressed in full bloom?

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:26 pm

Gonzo

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 798

At least you speak wise words for those who understand, MA.

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:49 pm

sgtpsion

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 425

"Those who have ears, let them hear."

I think that pretty much sums up the relationship between MA and the rest of the forum's members. Those who understand his words (ie. those "with ears") get great usefulness and wisdom from them (ie. they "hear").

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:54 pm

Fakiti

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 336

I really don't think that calling down lightning or at least directing lightning would be that hard.... to me it's one of those more or less random things that are easy to influence

and MartialArtist is smart, if you can open your ears and listen to what he's saying

Posted on Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:19 pm

psiready

Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 93

Still I don't really understand what Martial Artist was saying. It seems like all of you are pointing at some hidden definition that I can't seem to grasp. What does he mean?

That's a little long, even for me. on Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:34 am

Eldibs

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 909

Let's start with this, shall we?

Quote:

I think you don't have to search or work for anything in order to find it. There's no need. Buddha seemed to having thought about that similarly, because he taught something like desire is the cause of suffering and cessation of desire will lead to reaching a blessed state. The elemental understanding of existence was in Buddhas view suffering.

That's great, but logically, I've seen no way to end desire. As long as we have wills and needs, we will have desire. Here's how it goes. Your goal is to stop desiring things, so logically, you must have a reason for having that goal. That reason is a desire. Be it inner peace, mastery over the self, ending your suffering, all of them are a desire. Instead of trying to eliminate desire, try to limit it to only things you need. Food, water, air, and shelter first and foremost. Followed by other things that aren't as important and might not be necessary for some but are for others, and can help you to remain psychologically sound. Things like companionship (a pet, a girlfriend, a sibling, whatever), something to fill your time with (maybe meditating, since we're talking about inner peace, or practicing your psionics, since this is Psipog), and some exercise to keep your body healthy, which in turn will eliminate lethargy, which will help you to stay motivated.

Now, moving on...

Quote:

All you need to fly, cast lightning, walk through walls, teleport to different planets without the need of oxygen (do i need to make this more clear, or should i say fluffy Wink?) is Intention/will and Attention. IA is all you need! Intention & Attention. The level of skill depends on the clarity of the mind and therefore the clarity of your A (Attention). the intention is already there, all we need to do to manifets our intentions is getting rid of the cloath of dirt and illusions and self-doubt that we have covered it with. With a clear mind, comes clarity of our intentions and they will shine with beutiful glory and manifest themselves in an instant. All you need to do is let them.

Basically what MA is stating here can be expressed mathematically.

I = Intention
A = Attention
P = Maximum Psionic effect

I * A = P

Where I and A are both decimal numbers between 0 and 1, 1 = 100% and 100% is considered achieving the goal. If your Intent is zero, then you have no goal, and you cannot achieve a goal that you do not have, so P ends up as 0%. If your Attention is zero, none of your energy will be directed at the goal, and without energy, nothing can occur, so P ends up as 0% once again. The higher both I and A are, the higher P will be.

Now, i have to disagree with his statement for a few reasons...

One reason is that everything has its limits. This is not a theory up for debate, this is a fact. Steel will break after a certain amount of force is applied, and will melt after gaining a certain amount of heat. A given amount of copper can only transfer a certain amount of energy before it overheats and melts. The human body is no different, neither is the human mind. If your arm is hit hard enough with a monkey wrench, it will break, and if your mind deals with too much stress, you will have a mental breakdown. If you are trying to transfer too much energy psionically, it can hurt you. Now, granted, everybody's limits are different. It would take a different amount of force to break my arm than it would to break MA's, and our minds both have a different amount of resistance to mental breakdown. Similarly, differences in genetics, body chemistry, etc... means that MA and I would have different limits to the amount of psi we could handle without getting hurt.

Another reason is personal experience. Now, if I meditate and/or go into a trance, I can hold my mind clear long enough to focus on a goal (and by clear, I mean there is NOTHING going on. When I clear my mind, I go all the way. No doubts, no fears, no beliefs, nothing. So shut up about how I was "doubting myself," because I wasn't. It's actually useful for controlling nervousness), and to attempt to achieve that goal. Now, having an IQ of higher than your average fork, I can also formulate a goal, which would be my intent. Applying my freshly cleared mind (A is at 1), and my goal (I is at 1), I should be able to achieve that goal (P should be at 100%). However, I cannot. If I were to meditate right now, then try to make a green psi ball, I would be unable to. And I'll wager that if those of you reading this that cannot already make a flared psi ball were to try it right now, with perfect Attention and Intent, it would not work. It's not that I don't believe in you, or that I think you're a psionic version of a wimp, it's the cold, hard truth. Psionics takes practice. You're not gonna go read some magic text, and with some focusing, show up at school the next day and show that bully what a 1337 s0rc3r3r you are. You're not gonna flip out and go on a psychotic psionic rampage and take over the world. End of story.

Now, while I disbelieve that anyone here has actually called down lightning, I do believe that it's possible one of you might have subconsciously predicted when and where the lightning would strike, and then formed that into your intent, thus making it look like you had called down lightning, when you had merely predicted it.

Last, but not least...

Quote:

I too have experience with directing lightning during storms, it is all about willing and knowing what you want to achieve.

Directing the lightning is not the same as calling it down. Directing it only requires that the potential difference already be there and that you move around the electrical charges. Granted, moving around that much of an electrical charge might not be easy, but it's a lot more plausible, as you only have to make the target a better spot for the lightning to hit. Calling it down would require building up the gigawatts of electricity, then directing it as well. I know, I know, "it's all about intent and attention!" Yeah, that's great, but physics is still involved. Something has to cause that lightning to strike. The process you go through mentally might not have anything to do with physics, but physical effects are still happening. You used PK to knock over a can? Force was applied to the can, knocking it off its center of balance, and gravity pulled it down. You heated up a bowl of water? The water molecules were "excited," causing them to vibrate, creating the heat.

Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next

PsiPog.net Forum Index » Psychokinesis » Call Lightning

You must agree to the Terms of Service and Privacy Policy to view this website. Click here to contact the webmaster.