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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:07 pm

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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derricktheone wrote:
Who's angry?


Who isn't?

Arguments usually have anger in them. I can see the anger, how ever slight it may be.

Or maybe I should ask for you guys to calm down your language in general, and to not be calling each other names...
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:45 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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derricktheone wrote:
bladeslinger wrote:
derricktheone wrote:
Psi_Ninja wrote:
Im a healer. A pretty good one to (if i do say so myself). I can do colds, headaches, bruises, cuts (only speed up cuts), and once rewired a person's nerves. He said that he couldnt feel anything, and put his hand in boiling water and still didnt feel anything. But in the end, i got him back to normal.


Nerves are delicate and complicatedly connected. You can't just rip them apart and put them together again, stop lying. And yes someone else was right when they said even if the nerves are disconnected you would still get burned. The nerves are your body's way of telling you, "this is injuring me". Whether their messege makes it to you or not, the injury will still be there, just without the pain. So, unless you're friend pulled his hand out of boiling water with blisters all over it, it would be nice for you to stop lying.
derricktheone, you're an asshole because yuo never read things correctly then you bash the person. It's like your trying to pose neveza or something. Neveza has valid points though, he doesn't try to be all tough and shit.....Psi_Ninja said he altered the nerves meaning he numbed them pretty much not "rip them apart and put them back together again" so shut the fuck up and if you can't have some derogatory statement in your post then don't post...pog may be getting archived but that doesn't mean imaturaty can run rampant until it does....[/rant]


He didn't say he altered them, he said he rewired them. Like, read it yourself. Who didn't read things correctly? And I'm still right about his friend having blisters whether the nerves were connected/numbed or not. That's my point. That's valid.

P.S I guess I need derogatory comments in my post from now on? Telling me to shut the fuck up is real mature.
I thought blisters were a bodily response of swelling based on the body sensing to much heat? Oh yeah, that's right, they are. Wouldn't that mean that since his nerves were rewired that the response to the heat couldn't happen? Wacka smacka. Also, he probably didn't know what he did to cause the pain to go away. Did he actually open up the guy's arm and see the nerves rewired? No, he's telling us what visualization method he used. Also, it is possible to rewire someone's nerves. You can physically move their axons so that they are at a different synapse point. Basically, simple TK.

SFG, calling names is so much fun!
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:01 pm

bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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When people are imature, I speak imaturely to them from experience because my classmates are to stupid tp understand anything beyond 6th grade level.(derricktheone, you're definately intellegent but you must admit it was uncalled for.)

Healing is one of the few things I do nowadays and I mostly use it if a person is in pain or I am and I usually have good enough results...
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:40 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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bladeslinger wrote:
When people are imature, I speak imaturely to them from experience because my classmates are to stupid tp understand anything beyond 6th grade level.(derricktheone, you're definately intellegent but you must admit it was uncalled for.)

Healing is one of the few things I do nowadays and I mostly use it if a person is in pain or I am and I usually have good enough results...


Just because someone speaks immaturely to you, that doesn't mean do it to them. (2 wrongs thing, I'm sure you understand already). And I might've been a little hard on him, but I don't apologize for saying it. I don't think what he did was possible with the results he said he got. I think he's lying or greatly exaggerating his experience. So, no, Niushirra I don't think he could've put his hand in boiling water and come out with no burns/blisters, whatever. Whether you're nerves can feel it or not, you will be injured.(As I've said already).
So if his nerves were disconnected at the time, by your reasoning, Niushirra, he could've put a blow torch to his hand and not recieved any injury. If he can't "feel" it, no injury? Sorry, I don't think that's how it works.
I'm not sure if it's a fair comparison, but what about when dentists/doctors freeze your lips or another body part. Your nerves don't "feel" anything, yet if you bite your lips, or do anything that you would usually get injured doing, you will recieve that injury nontheless. Pain or not. I've thought about what you said and stand by my post.
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:00 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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I didn't say anything about injury derrick! I was just talking about blisters since that's the only thing you mentioned. Of course his cells would start dying after a while but that's something completely different. I think bladey was right about your reading capability.
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:22 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 356

Niushirra wrote:
derricktheone wrote:
bladeslinger wrote:
derricktheone wrote:
Psi_Ninja wrote:
Im a healer. A pretty good one to (if i do say so myself). I can do colds, headaches, bruises, cuts (only speed up cuts), and once rewired a person's nerves. He said that he couldnt feel anything, and put his hand in boiling water and still didnt feel anything. But in the end, i got him back to normal.


Nerves are delicate and complicatedly connected. You can't just rip them apart and put them together again, stop lying. And yes someone else was right when they said even if the nerves are disconnected you would still get burned. The nerves are your body's way of telling you, "this is injuring me". Whether their messege makes it to you or not, the injury will still be there, just without the pain. So, unless you're friend pulled his hand out of boiling water with blisters all over it, it would be nice for you to stop lying.
derricktheone, you're an asshole because yuo never read things correctly then you bash the person. It's like your trying to pose neveza or something. Neveza has valid points though, he doesn't try to be all tough and shit.....Psi_Ninja said he altered the nerves meaning he numbed them pretty much not "rip them apart and put them back together again" so shut the fuck up and if you can't have some derogatory statement in your post then don't post...pog may be getting archived but that doesn't mean imaturaty can run rampant until it does....[/rant]


He didn't say he altered them, he said he rewired them. Like, read it yourself. Who didn't read things correctly? And I'm still right about his friend having blisters whether the nerves were connected/numbed or not. That's my point. That's valid.

P.S I guess I need derogatory comments in my post from now on? Telling me to shut the fuck up is real mature.
I thought blisters were a bodily response of swelling based on the body sensing to much heat? Oh yeah, that's right, they are. Wouldn't that mean that since his nerves were rewired that the response to the heat couldn't happen? Wacka smacka. Also, he probably didn't know what he did to cause the pain to go away. Did he actually open up the guy's arm and see the nerves rewired? No, he's telling us what visualization method he used. Also, it is possible to rewire someone's nerves. You can physically move their axons so that they are at a different synapse point. Basically, simple TK.

SFG, calling names is so much fun!


You're saying because he couldn't feel it, there would be no response. Response=blisters. Blisters=injury. My reading ability is fine. Please don't try to manipulate past words in order to make a point.

P.S How is using the blow torch for injury "completely different" than boiling water? Just because it is a more serious type? With your theory that I highlighted for you, the same should apply for any injury involving the nerves. You have conflicting points and do not want to admit it, which is fine, so I'm done.
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:22 pm

bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Meh, I'll leave you to your opinion and I'll stay with mine for the time being, I don't like to start fights over such silly topics. Psi_Ninja is my friend so I'll trust him but now I think I'll stay out of it...(If you'd like, we may discuss this on gabbly but I don't want to trash the forum with flame...)
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:50 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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A response is different from an injury. You really can't read. The blowtorch kills cells and causes a change in the body directly. A dip in boiling water should cause the body to change the body itself. Indirect and direct change. One takes nerves.
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Posted on Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:13 pm

Psi_Ninja

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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WOH WOH WOH! i just get back on after being away for a couple days and see people bashing me!

Ok, i would just like to say, i meant rewired as in fixed, not like "This wire goes here, i need to weld this one" but more like i fixed it. Somebody did something to him to mess up his nerves, so i simply fixed them.

AND he didnt say if it was blistered/burned or not. I dont know.

Im not trying to say i want to start this fight again, im just explaining it. I would contact the person and ask them to talk to you, but he isnt on right now.

~P_N~
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:06 am

neveza

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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It doesn't matter. Nobody can prove or disprove that he actually rewired someone nerves. However, I find that to be unsafe.

I don't think he even said anything about how long the kid's hand was in the water. I could put my hand in boiling water without injury for a specific time(probably under a second though).

Regardless, It's ignorant to assume that one rewired another's nerve system without any hard facts that one did so.
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:27 am

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Ha ha ha, it's just so much fun to watch tons of people argue.

Anyways, I can confidently say Psi_ninja, that your friend lied to you. I am assuming that your friend is your age. And at your age, many children lie to make themselves look better or cooler than they actually are. I'm sure you are aware of this fact.
And then, boiling water can almost be opinionated, or stated wrong to say the least. Sometimes it can actually be used as an expression. "Whoa, that water is boiling hot!" But in reality, the water is only 94 degrees celcius, witch isn't boiling yet!
Maybe the water was just steaming, and not actually bubbling.

It all stands in the fact that your friend was either lieing, or was just not knowing.
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:49 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 356

Niushirra wrote:
I thought blisters were a bodily response of swelling based on the body sensing to much heat? Oh yeah, that's right, they are. Wouldn't that mean that since his nerves were rewired that the response to the heat couldn't happen? Wacka smacka. Also, he probably didn't know what he did to cause the pain to go away. Did he actually open up the guy's arm and see the nerves rewired? No, he's telling us what visualization method he used. Also, it is possible to rewire someone's nerves. You can physically move their axons so that they are at a different synapse point. Basically, simple TK.

SFG, calling names is so much fun!


"The perception of pain occurs when the nociceptors are stimulated and transmit signals through sensory neurons in the spinal cord. These neurons release glutamate, a major exicitory neurotransmitter that relays signals from one neuron to another. The signals are sent to the thalamus, in which pain perception occurs. From the thalamus, the signal travels to the somatosensory cortex in the cerebrum, where the pain is localised, and the individual becomes fully aware of the pain."

(This is our current understanding of how it works. He said he felt no pain, that's why I'm putting this. It also means the injury happens before the pain is present)

"Despite its unpleasantness, pain is an important part of the existence of humans and other animals; in fact, it is vital to survival. Pain encourages an organism to disengage from the noxious stimulus associated with the pain. Preliminary pain can serve to indicate that an injury is imminent, such as the ache from a soon-to-be-broken bone. Pain may also promote the healing process, since most organisms will protect an injured region in order to avoid further pain. People born with congenital insensitivity to pain usually have short life spans, and suffer numerous ailments such as broken bones, bed sores, and chronic infection.

(Do you know why it is vital for survival and people with congenital insensitivity have short lifespans? Here I'll tell you.)

"Congenital insensitivity to pain (or congenital analgia) is a rare condition where a child cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain. Cognition and sensation is otherwise normal, for instance they can still feel discriminative touch (though not always temperature), and there is no detectable physical abnormality.

These children often suffer oral cavity damage (such as having bitten off the tip of their tongue) or fractures to bones. Unnoticed infections, and corneal damage due to foreign objects in the eye are also seen.
In some people with this disease, there may be slight mental retardation, as well as an impaired corneal reflex."

(Do you know why they suffer from these injuries? Because they can't feel the pain. Feeling the pain or not, having the nerves sense it or not, putting your hand in boiling water will injure you. "Indirect" or "direct change"(quote-Niushirra) or not. Try arguing with Wikipedia Biatch.)

Not enough for you?

"We all know about pain, or at least we think we do. Things that damage our bodies cause pain. We learn to avoid pain because the experience is nasty, and in the process we learn to avoid stimuli which might damage us. The more the damage, the greater the pain, and the more we avoid it. Put simply like that, pain is obviously beneficial, in that it teaches us to avoid damage, even though the experience of it is unpleasant.

In fact pain is really very poorly understood, in spite of years of study. We do not even know very much about how nerve fibres detect pain. Do the nerve endings react directly to pain, or is it that damage releases something from other cells, which then stimulates the nerve fibres? And how can pain be so variable? Is this something happening "in the mind" or are there processes happening out at the periphery, at the level of the nerve terminals, which might explain the variability of pain?

These are the questions that my lab in Cambridge is trying to answer. We abandoned the idea of studying pain in intact animals and went instead for the simpler situation of isolated nerve cells cultured in a dish. We have found that they respond in many ways like pain-sensitive nerves in a real animal. For instance, we found that the temperature at which these isolated pain-sensitive nerves respond to heat is very similar to the temperature at which a human subject reports that the sensation from a warmed object changes from a pleasant feeling of warmth to a sensation of painful heat. (Hmm I wonder if boiling water would be considered painful heat Confused ) We found out something about the way in which heat actually stimulates the nerve endings - it is a direct process, caused by sodium ions flowing in through the membrane of the cell. So the actual response to heat is intrinsic to the nerve fibre itself, and does need any factors which might be released from nearby cells damaged by the hot stimulus.

But the isolated nerve fibres did differ in an interesting way from their counterparts in an intact animal. If a hot stimulus is repeatedly applied to skin the sensation of pain gets worse and worse, as we all know, while our isolated nerves in culture always responded with a signal of the same size. This told us that the process of sensitization, by which the feeling of pain increases with time, is not intrinsic to the nerve fibres, but instead depends on factors released from other nearby cells which in an intact animal are damaged by the painful stimulus. Nearby cells are, of course, not present in a culture of isolated nerve cells. We identified one of these factors as a protein fragment called bradykinin, which was already known to be present in elevated concentrations in damaged or inflamed tissue."
Peter McNaughton Professor of pharmacology at Cambridge University

Niushirra, pain, sense, feeling, or any other stimulus that tells us about pain, will not prevent a "response" of the body from happening. How about backing this,=> "I thought blisters were a bodily response of swelling based on the body sensing to much heat? Oh yeah, that's right, they are. Wouldn't that mean that since his nerves were rewired that the response to the heat couldn't happen?", up with some facts. No? didn't think so. Debate over.

Wacka smacka that up your ass Very Happy .
Please no comments on my rudness. All directed towards Niushirra (because of his ignorance) and noone else.
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:15 pm

somefatguy

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Wow! I didn't even try to read that.
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:45 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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somefatguy wrote:
Wow! I didn't even try to read that.
I did though. Derrick REALLY can't read. If you stick your hand in boiling water for a second or two enough to cause pain and a blister, there is no direct substantial damage to the body. Find a wiki article against that. I dare you. The blister forms because of a nerve reaction of swelling. It's not the cold virus that causes the runny nose. It's the body's response to get rid of the cold. If his nevres were rewired then the body could not respond to the small damage in his hand. Thus he could only receive third degree burns which are the direct killing of cells by heat. You just said blisters though. The fact of the matter is, blisters can only form when there are good nerve connections. He would have damage to his skin from the heat but would not get blisters. Also the damage would not be substantial.

ANNNNDDD I back it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blisters
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Posted on Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:58 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Niushirra wrote:
somefatguy wrote:
Wow! I didn't even try to read that.
I did though. Derrick REALLY can't read. If you stick your hand in boiling water for a second or two enough to cause pain and a blister, there is no direct substantial damage to the body. Find a wiki article against that. I dare you. The blister forms because of a nerve reaction of swelling. It's not the cold virus that causes the runny nose. It's the body's response to get rid of the cold. If his nevres were rewired then the body could not respond to the small damage in his hand. Thus he could only receive third degree burns which are the direct killing of cells by heat. You just said blisters though. The fact of the matter is, blisters can only form when there are good nerve connections. He would have damage to his skin from the heat but would not get blisters. Also the damage would not be substantial.

ANNNNDDD I back it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blisters


No shit moron. Ofcourse if it's only in for a second or two. Wow you're really stuck on this blister thing. You might not even get a blister. Anyone can jab their finger in boiling water for a second and have nothing happen to them. There's nothing special about that. That's not my point. The point of his post was to show he can have his hand in boiling water without any affects. Meaning, for it to be anything special, it had to be in the water for more than a couple seconds. I backed up my points. You still failed to back up the one, your main one, I asked you to. The one that's your own theory with no proof behind it. I'm done talking to you. I gave more than enough evidence and it's obvious there's nothing else I can tell you to admit you were wrong. Talking to a wall is useless. Consider me done with this thread.

P.S Don't you think he'd get more than just blisters from having his hand in boiling water?
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