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Communism on Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:22 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Annnnnndddddddd....

RANT!
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Posted on Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:59 pm

Yamamaya

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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be a little more specific please?
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Posted on Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:29 pm

sawyerhickory

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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OK, here's the thing. Communism is an economic system that in it's ideal form leads to a perfect economy. Capitalism is also an ecomomic system that in it's ideal form leads to a perfect economy. The imperfection and inability of humans to uphold these ideals( this goes for political systems like democracy, republicanism, facism, and socialism as well) is what makes these systems bad or corrupt. Therefore pure socialists, Marxists, or democrats(little d, guys, little d. It doesn't mean the political party.) all have an ideal and utopian society as their ultimate goal. The ideas and their followers aren't inherently flawed, which is why ever making rash generalizations is completely unfounded. One of the most awesome friends I have is a big proponent of the American Marxist party and his ideas on politics are fantastically well thought out.
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Posted on Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:33 pm

TruePsion

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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And you attack my posts. Pft, pathetic.
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Posted on Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:28 am

Sirius

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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People suck, thus communism fails. If people did not suck, communism could work. But they do, so trying to implement communism, especially on a large scale, is bound to fail.
People would have to really, really change for it to work. I do not see that happening.
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Posted on Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:34 pm

Tankdown

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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Look good on paper, its a shame it donest works with everyones emotional levels during the process.
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Posted on Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:50 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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sawyerhickory wrote:
OK, here's the thing. Communism is an economic system that in it's ideal form leads to a perfect economy. Capitalism is also an ecomomic system that in it's ideal form leads to a perfect economy. The imperfection and inability of humans to uphold these ideals( this goes for political systems like democracy, republicanism, facism, and socialism as well) is what makes these systems bad or corrupt. Therefore pure socialists, Marxists, or democrats(little d, guys, little d. It doesn't mean the political party.) all have an ideal and utopian society as their ultimate goal. The ideas and their followers aren't inherently flawed, which is why ever making rash generalizations is completely unfounded. One of the most awesome friends I have is a big proponent of the American Marxist party and his ideas on politics are fantastically well thought out.
I believe that a total reform of soceity can work against the "human nature." Believe it or not human nature is mostly based on soceity so if I get rid of some bad ideas, like greed and value, then the people could live happily in communism. Capitalism breeds a soceity where these ideas are very important and thus is self destruction. With the right people any system can work perfectly.
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Posted on Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:34 pm

bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Tankdown wrote:
Look good on paper, its a shame it donest works with everyones emotional levels during the process.
Ditto.....
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Posted on Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:44 am

Tankdown

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I heard of some theories that subject the need for choas for a civilation to grow. Such that is there was nothing but peace and order the civilation would be at a "machine" state. While choas means more of a "organic" state. Even it choas creates.........well choas I tend to see that it is sometimes needed for a civilation to grow. Some levels of human behavior are needed even if they are bad as they are.

Or lest some people tend to think. Any thoughts on this?
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Posted on Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:30 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Tankdown wrote:
I heard of some theories that subject the need for choas for a civilation to grow. Such that is there was nothing but peace and order the civilation would be at a "machine" state. While choas means more of a "organic" state. Even it choas creates.........well choas I tend to see that it is sometimes needed for a civilation to grow. Some levels of human behavior are needed even if they are bad as they are.

Or lest some people tend to think. Any thoughts on this?
On the outside life may look chaotic and it is. Thus chaos does take you far in life but it ends at a certain point and then chaos destroys itself. Deep down life is a machine so the most organic thing to do would be to shape soceity like a machine. Or maybe even like cells. Then the cells/communes would go through natural selection just like the ancient bacteria and new macroorganisms would form. Like planet wide. It's a fact humans have really reached a peak of evolution and now the only evolution we are taking is to have the stupid people who don't use condoms spread the stupid condom gene around. That's our next evolutionary step. Intellectual people for the most part do not want to have lots of kids but stupid people just have lots of kids, most of the time.

This seems like my definition of "de-evolution" so if we want to continue the machine of life, I suggest we use our magnificent will power and push it in my direction.
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Posted on Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:38 pm

Tankdown

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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quantity over quality, no other comment for the moment
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Posted on Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:16 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Niushirra wrote:
Tankdown wrote:
I heard of some theories that subject the need for choas for a civilation to grow. Such that is there was nothing but peace and order the civilation would be at a "machine" state. While choas means more of a "organic" state. Even it choas creates.........well choas I tend to see that it is sometimes needed for a civilation to grow. Some levels of human behavior are needed even if they are bad as they are.

Or lest some people tend to think. Any thoughts on this?
On the outside life may look chaotic and it is. Thus chaos does take you far in life but it ends at a certain point and then chaos destroys itself. Deep down life is a machine so the most organic thing to do would be to shape soceity like a machine. Or maybe even like cells. Then the cells/communes would go through natural selection just like the ancient bacteria and new macroorganisms would form. Like planet wide. It's a fact humans have really reached a peak of evolution and now the only evolution we are taking is to have the stupid people who don't use condoms spread the stupid condom gene around. That's our next evolutionary step. Intellectual people for the most part do not want to have lots of kids but stupid people just have lots of kids, most of the time.

This seems like my definition of "de-evolution" so if we want to continue the machine of life, I suggest we use our magnificent will power and push it in my direction.


Is it really? Proof? Sources? I always thought we were evolving no matter what. I understand we're pretty much as smart as the ancient romans in terms of evolution but is it really proven that we're done evolving? I'd like sources. I personally do not believe we are done. I believe the way society lives life and the beliefs systems we are put into is what "stunted" the evolution process, but I think we are slowly working through these barriers.
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Posted on Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:48 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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I studied evolution. My prediction for the next step in evolution is either an evolution of soceity created by willpower or the stupid people who don't use condoms. If left to nature the world will slowly become stupider. That is evolution but evolution implies positive gain so to make it easier I call it "de-evolution."
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Posted on Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:10 pm

somefatguy

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Niushirra wrote:
I studied evolution. My prediction for the next step in evolution is either an evolution of soceity created by willpower or the stupid people who don't use condoms. If left to nature the world will slowly become stupider. That is evolution but evolution implies positive gain so to make it easier I call it "de-evolution."


Interesting...that's all I have to say. Smile
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Posted on Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:59 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Niushirra wrote:
I studied evolution. My prediction for the next step in evolution is either an evolution of soceity created by willpower or the stupid people who don't use condoms. If left to nature the world will slowly become stupider. That is evolution but evolution implies positive gain so to make it easier I call it "de-evolution."


Sooooooooo your saying you don't have proof we're not evolving. I don't even want your proof I just want any proof because I don't believe it's true. You said we're DONE evolving. Anything??
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