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Earth,Wind, or Fire?
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Earth,Wind, or Fire? on Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:58 am

Psi_Fi

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 28

I've read of many techniques on how to move a psi-wheel. One technique is the infamous using PK to spin the psi-wheel (Earth). Another technique is to use PK on the air to blow the psi-wheel around (Wind). A third technique was using Pyro-PK to create a convection current to spin the psi-wheel (Fire).

So I was wondering which technique would be easier/more efficient/stronger to use with a psi-wheel, Earth, Wind, or Fire? And what would be the most effective on larger or denser objects?
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Posted on Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:31 am

SheepKing

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 728

Where are you getting your information from?

There are no elements when Psi is involved.
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Posted on Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:56 am

JOHNNYBEGOOD

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Posts: 354

Wind earth air fire... not elements.

Your model of elements is based upon a 2000+ year old model of the atom...
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Re: Earth,Wind, or Fire? on Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:30 am

Lasher

Joined: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 64

Psi_Fi wrote:
I've read of many techniques on how to move a psi-wheel. One technique is the infamous using PK to spin the psi-wheel (Earth). Another technique is to use PK on the air to blow the psi-wheel around (Wind). A third technique was using Pyro-PK to create a convection current to spin the psi-wheel (Fire).

So I was wondering which technique would be easier/more efficient/stronger to use with a psi-wheel, Earth, Wind, or Fire? And what would be the most effective on larger or denser objects?

The psiwheel is not an "earth element": it's a piece of paper/tin foil on a pin, and if you want to be more specific, it's energy. I've heard of people using air currents to affect objects, but still it's not a "wind element". And Pyro-PK is the ability to influence fire. Your information is a little out of whack. Read some of the beginner's articles on the main site. If there are indeed "elements", then in my opinion, there is only one element in psionics; energy. You master that, you master all of the "elements".
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Posted on Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:00 pm

psi4life061

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 77

yep people need to start reading the articles ON PSIPOG before they come and post random stuff. Mad
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Posted on Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:08 am

Psi_Fi

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 28

I'm not talking about wielding various elements, I was just talking about them to relate it to the title, of which I found clever. What I was asking was whether or not it would be more efficient to use PK on something other than the psi-wheel directly to move it.

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The psiwheel is not an "earth element": it's a piece of paper/tin foil on a pin, and if you want to be more specific, it's energy. I've heard of people using air currents to affect objects, but still it's not a "wind element". And Pyro-PK is the ability to influence fire. Your information is a little out of whack. Read some of the beginner's articles on the main site. If there are indeed "elements", then in my opinion, there is only one element in psionics; energy. You master that, you master all of the "elements".


I was referring to the phases of matter. Solids like earth, gases like wind, and heat like fire.
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Re: Earth,Wind, or Fire? on Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:38 pm

Nightshade

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 421

Psi_Fi wrote:
I've read of many techniques on how to move a psi-wheel. One technique is the infamous using PK to spin the psi-wheel (Earth). Another technique is to use PK on the air to blow the psi-wheel around (Wind). A third technique was using Pyro-PK to create a convection current to spin the psi-wheel (Fire).


i see what you are saying, but there are many different techniques to move a psi-wheel. to go along with your topic, we here use PK to affect the psi-wheel. most of us project the energy out of us in some way to move the wheel, others use the Just Do It method you can read about at the main site. it all depends on what works for you.


Psi_Fi wrote:
So I was wondering which technique would be easier/more efficient/stronger to use with a psi-wheel, Earth, Wind, or Fire? And what would be the most effective on larger or denser objects?


again, this all depends on you, what works for you, what techniques you like, ect. we don't associate elements with psi here, and as a friendly warning, you will be flamed if you do. also, pyrokinesis (or your fire) is the manipulation of fire, not the creation of. so if you were going to create convection currents to move the wheel, you would use psychokinesis to vibrate the air atoms near the wheel to generate a heat current.
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Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:42 am

Lasher

Joined: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 64

Psi_Fi wrote:
I'm not talking about wielding various elements, I was just talking about them to relate it to the title, of which I found clever. What I was asking was whether or not it would be more efficient to use PK on something other than the psi-wheel directly to move it.

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The psiwheel is not an "earth element": it's a piece of paper/tin foil on a pin, and if you want to be more specific, it's energy. I've heard of people using air currents to affect objects, but still it's not a "wind element". And Pyro-PK is the ability to influence fire. Your information is a little out of whack. Read some of the beginner's articles on the main site. If there are indeed "elements", then in my opinion, there is only one element in psionics; energy. You master that, you master all of the "elements".


I was referring to the phases of matter. Solids like earth, gases like wind, and heat like fire.

But it doesn't matter what phase the matter is in; it's all energy. All of it. Everything. Solids, gases, heat, liquids, everything is energy. And it doesn't matter how you move it, because in the end you are using PK to move it. Forget about efficiency. Learn to use methods or make your own that make it easier to move objects. Efficiency will come in time as you practice and experiment.
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Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:38 pm

Nightshade

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 421

Lasher wrote:
But it doesn't matter what phase the matter is in; it's all energy. All of it. Everything. Solids, gases, heat, liquids, everything is energy. And it doesn't matter how you move it, because in the end you are using PK to move it. Forget about efficiency. Learn to use methods or make your own that make it easier to move objects. Efficiency will come in time as you practice and experiment.


that's what he was saying. he wanted to know what "method" would be best to move it (moving the air around it, using straight PK on it, or creating a heat current to move it). i know it's a bit fluffy to associate elements with these methods, but i guess that's how he understands it. he just needs to understand that it's all pk.
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Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:29 pm

JOHNNYBEGOOD

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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This is all bullshit. Do you know quantum physics? Matter isn't made of energy. Energy doesn't have a material form.
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Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:50 pm

Kow

Joined: 15 Mar 2006
Posts: 167

E = MC˛
Energy = Mass * Speed of light Squared

They corolate
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Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:07 pm

bladeslinger

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 1337

Hmmmm.....maybe you're thinking of Earth Wind AND Fire the band? XD
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Posted on Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:03 am

Psi_Fi

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 28

For example, air is lighter than the psi-wheel, therefore, alot easier to move. So if you moved the air, of which you can move more of and at a faster pace, perhaps creating a stronger force than that could be accomplished through just moving the psi-wheel alone.

I'm trying to maybe promote some strategic thinking towards how you use the psi. Whether you are strong or weak with using PK it doesn't matter. After a while of using psi energy you become drained even if you do draw from other sources. So when all that matters is the goal of moving the psi-wheel it might be easier on resources to use an alternative method of moving the psi-wheel.
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Posted on Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:56 am

Jardeath

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 24

JOHNNYBEGOOD wrote:
Wind earth air fire... not elements.

Your model of elements is based upon a 2000+ year old model of the atom...


Reminds me of a 20 year old movie i saw today Very Happy
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