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Posted on Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:23 pm

MANHUNT

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 5

PK_11 wrote:
Time doesn't exist, as far as I know.

The idea that we're stuck in the "now" is an illusion, as well as past and future. It's all simultanious.

You could say time is the sixth sense, actually, because it doesn't exist outside of perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong. Wink

So, if you were going to "travel" through time, you wouldn't really be travelling, only changing your perspective. And you don't need a psiball for that.

This is all in theory, of course. Smile

WOW never really thought of it like that.
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Posted on Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:10 pm

Teekay

Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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Does anyone else find the concept of time travel a little confusing? I mean, with certain circumstances it makes no sense. To use a simple example, you drop something valuable on the floor and it breaks. So, you go back in time and stop yourself from dropping it. However, that changes the timeline, and all of a sudden you never had the need to go back in the first place, so you didn't. But you did, so now what? Confused

Another good example is the story of the video game, Shadow Hearts, where the girl falls in love with with the main character, only to end up back in the past to find out she becomes his mother. (Is there even a word for reverse Eudipus complex?) So technically, there are two of that girl, young and old, existing at the same time. Confused Man, I hate time stuff.

The only reason why i would really want to try going back into the past, would be to see if fate really exists. I meana fter all, if you go back and do things to change the future, and nother actually changes, then you must have been fated to go abck to do it anyway, right?
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:40 pm

Jardeath

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 24

Teekay wrote:
Does anyone else find the concept of time travel a little confusing? I mean, with certain circumstances it makes no sense. To use a simple example, you drop something valuable on the floor and it breaks. So, you go back in time and stop yourself from dropping it. However, that changes the timeline, and all of a sudden you never had the need to go back in the first place, so you didn't. But you did, so now what? Confused


I've heard that so many times and it makes my head hurt every one of them Sad

Unless the new event spawns another timeline Rolling Eyes
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:59 pm

Joshy

Joined: 09 May 2006
Posts: 544

Jardeath wrote:
Teekay wrote:
Does anyone else find the concept of time travel a little confusing? I mean, with certain circumstances it makes no sense. To use a simple example, you drop something valuable on the floor and it breaks. So, you go back in time and stop yourself from dropping it. However, that changes the timeline, and all of a sudden you never had the need to go back in the first place, so you didn't. But you did, so now what? Confused


I've heard that so many times and it makes my head hurt every one of them Sad

Unless the new event spawns another timeline Rolling Eyes


Then they're would be millions of time lines Neutral.
What is the timline running on? Are they simultaneous?
I hate time Very Happy
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:03 pm

Jardeath

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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I'm not thinking anymore, my head hurts, goodnight. Mad
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:47 pm

Lucidess

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
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Ugh. It would be impossible to change the future in that way, if that object was going to break and you somehow went back in time to stop it, it would have already happened. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_paradox
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Posted on Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:43 pm

Streakerseraph

Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 31

Teekay wrote:
Does anyone else find the concept of time travel a little confusing? I mean, with certain circumstances it makes no sense. To use a simple example, you drop something valuable on the floor and it breaks. So, you go back in time and stop yourself from dropping it. However, that changes the timeline, and all of a sudden you never had the need to go back in the first place, so you didn't. But you did, so now what? Confused

Another good example is the story of the video game, Shadow Hearts, where the girl falls in love with with the main character, only to end up back in the past to find out she becomes his mother. (Is there even a word for reverse Eudipus complex?) So technically, there are two of that girl, young and old, existing at the same time. Confused Man, I hate time stuff.

The only reason why i would really want to try going back into the past, would be to see if fate really exists. I meana fter all, if you go back and do things to change the future, and nother actually changes, then you must have been fated to go abck to do it anyway, right?



Easy. you answered your own question partly there. If you break the vase, you go back in time to stop yourself, thus having no need to break the vase, you would exist simultaneously with your other self, possibly a few seconds older. And if you had the power to go back in time, chances are the combined two of you would dominate the entire universe in a matter of hours. Twisted Evil
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Posted on Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:30 pm

freakinrican626

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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I think that in the end, the whole concept of time (whether it exists or not) is probably pretty easy to understand. I think trying to explain it like we are (using language) is where everything becomes difficult. Since language is so cut and dry and absolute, I don't think anyone can adiquately explain time's properties.


btw, in my physics class we watched a movie on time travel. One of the scientists being interviewed said that he had been exploring time travel for years and he believes he has figured out a way to travel to the future and for the future to travel to us. He says that all you need to do is gather lasers that are very powerful and position them in a circular fashion. Then you do a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo that i can't remember and at that moment when everything is complete and you press the on button, people from the future would be able to travel to that present time. What that said, we cannot travel to the past but those from our future can travel to our present time.
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Posted on Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:53 am

Lleu

Joined: 29 Apr 2006
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To create a wormhole requires several quadrillion times more energy than the earth can produce. Not going to happen.
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Posted on Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:20 pm

freakinrican626

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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i dont know how anyone would really know exactly how much energy it would take to go back into time. have you tried it? have you been successful. i think that unless you have some experience under your belt, you shouldnt just throw stuff out there.

im not implying that i know either, cause i dont. i havent had any experience with time travel.
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Posted on Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:10 pm

Lleu

Joined: 29 Apr 2006
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I forgot the reasoning behind that. I'll see if I can find it again. It has something to do with movement in the fourth dimension.
And I didn't say time travel requires that energy, I said creating wormholes does.
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Posted on Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:21 pm

freakinrican626

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 514

Lleu wrote:
I forgot the reasoning behind that. I'll see if I can find it again. It has something to do with movement in the fourth dimension.
And I didn't say time travel requires that energy, I said creating wormholes does.



what i meant by saying energy, i really meant just talking about the topic in general. and i wasnt targeting you. there have been a few others that have sounded like total experts in a topic that i highly doubt anyone on this forum really knows extraordinarily well in the first place.
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Posted on Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:31 am

insight1234

Joined: 15 Jul 2006
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surGeon wrote:
FinallyEffingJoined wrote:
Thats just SEEING what happened/will happen. Thats not physically BEING there, which i believe is what hes looking for. If i had phsyical time travel, MIDDLE AGES BABY! id rule with my ability to move the psi wheel! lol, theyd call me a wizard and worship me... id do all kinds of stuff to their tech.. then come back and see how much MORE advanced we would be in this time... Smile

or they'd call you a heretic and burn you at the stake.


One of them were probably FinallyEffingJoined, so if we find like a PsiPog-inscription at the Stone Henge you know who made it! Razz
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Posted on Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:34 am

insight1234

Joined: 15 Jul 2006
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Jardeath wrote:
Teekay wrote:
Does anyone else find the concept of time travel a little confusing? I mean, with certain circumstances it makes no sense. To use a simple example, you drop something valuable on the floor and it breaks. So, you go back in time and stop yourself from dropping it. However, that changes the timeline, and all of a sudden you never had the need to go back in the first place, so you didn't. But you did, so now what? Confused


I've heard that so many times and it makes my head hurt every one of them Sad

Unless the new event spawns another timeline Rolling Eyes


Buuut, then someone would go back in that time!... Evil or Very Mad
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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:09 am

hainsaw3

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 22

I really like this topic on having to think about it times before (some headaches) so I thought id share my own 2 cents.

Useing the secnario from before.
If it was possible to stop the object from breaking, once time would be altered you would have no intention of going back thus never happening in the first place.
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