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Lucid Dreaming helping with Psychokinesis o.o on Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:25 pm

FrostyChaotix

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 74

Since you can get control over anything (if you're skilled enough with LD) in your dreams, couldn't you train PK while sleeping? You could "mimic" the feeling you get when you do Macro-PK, create visual illusions and "increase" the effects. This should be quite easy (as once as you LD).

We all say we can't do incredible stuff with Psychokinesis because the training would last more than a life time, right? Then why can't you try it while you sleep? It would be easier, it would be funny, and it would not take your time Wink Maybe this is the key for increasing your psionic abilities without losing precious time.

Another fact is that the "perception of time" in dreams is all messed up. Some people (rumors, that is... i cannot say for sure) say they spent days, weeks, months in a dream. There was some guy (i can't remember the name) who said he once spent a year in a dream. Well, I think a year is too much... but anyways, if you could do it on purpose, you could slow down your "perception" and maybe spend a day training.

But yeah maybe you're wondering... if I can do anything while dreaming, how could it be useful? How could I know whether I'm progessing or not? Well, here's the point.
Suppose you're having a nightmare, and after you wake up you cannot go back to sleep because you are afraid. Afraid of what? You usually can't tell for sure. Or maybe you're dreaming with your former girlfriend... and when you wake up it sounds you're still with her? Or you get cut (in the dream) and wake up still "feeling" it. Ever felt sleep paralysis ? (although this is most related to OBEs, i think)

What I'm trying to say is that we can alter our dream environment to "fake" a specific feeling... waking up with that feeling, and bang! First, You just slid a pencil! (wow) Second, if you ever had a lucid dream.... it really LOOKS REAL. Third, It'll help you to overcome your stubborn mind ("it can't be real", "you won't do it", "it'll be useless"). PLUS, it won't take your time! And everyone knows we feel much better after a lucid dream!

Of course... it'll take some skill in lucid dreaming, but agree with me, LDing is easier than PKing Very Happy (using the right techniques of course).

For short:

1- Get into a Lucid Dream
2- Stabilize your dream. Try to make it more realistic. But maintain your control. Put stability and control under a balance
3- Create a connection with an object (DON'T SKIP ANY STEP! DO IT AS YOU WOULD DO PK!). Try to create a strong connection with an object. YOU WON'T BE VISUALIZING. This time... you'll be SEEING the connection. Enter the object, feel it, touch it, be one with it. (you can make you and the object blue and everything else white, for instance). You'll be completely concentrated on what you're doing. Nothing else will matter (this is easily done in a dream).
4- Move it! Very Happy But don't get carried away (I mean, don't spin a psiwheel at lightspeed xD). Do it with conscience. Speed up until you reach your real life limit... and expand it a little. Then go further.
5- Don't forget to focus. And observe every feeling you get. Register each detail.
6- Write down everything you experienced as soon as you wake up. Make drawings, if necessary.
7- Try to "mimic" the feelings, when doing Psychokinesis (awake).

The main goal is to wake up thinking "whoa I REALLY DID IT, and it was like THIS and THAT". You'll see what your mind thinks of it.

(just a personal example. I had this girlfriend, who left me without saying a word. And I dreamt with her. But when I woke up I was all happy and peaceful, and it shocked me... how could I be that happy? I don't even like her anymore. *BEEP* wrong answer. I don't like her way of acting... i don't like what she has done to me... but deep inside, i still like the way she treated me when we were together. This "answer" from my mind was kinda surprising.)

I haven't tested this yet, but I already had some LDs, so it'll be no problem Very Happy . I'll share my experiences.

And please...don't forget to comment!

Frosty Chaotix
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:38 pm

FrostyChaotix

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 74

30 views. no replies; Is my idea THAT BAD?

Please reply. Even if you're going to flame me, just reply Very Happy

Thanks.
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:40 pm

FinallyEffingJoined

Joined: 08 Jul 2006
Posts: 223

I like it. Smile last time i Lucid Dreamed i couldnt do much for TK, largest thing i moved was a bike... like a pedal bike... and it was difficult.
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:16 pm

litebrite999

Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 40

I can't do lucid dreaming, because I fall asleep too fast but I was trying to improve my doing TK by telling myself that I would figure it out in my sleep. I did this every night.

So I had this dream on how to make stuff materialize instead.

In my dream I pictured something so clearly in my mind that it was like I was actually seeing it. Then in front of me from a ball of yellowish light the image that I was visualizing appeared small then grew to life size and materialized. It became real.

I woke up right after that so I remember it super clear.

It reminds me of that guy who invented the sewing machine because of something that he dreamed.

So now part of my daily practice includes trying to visualize stuff in techni-color. Just in case there's something to it.
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:27 pm

athil

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 38

This is a very good idea. I spent most of the day trying to move things and it worked but I could try something bigger(something bigger is something very small lol). I think I've dreamt of my ex-girlfriend. I was happy when I woke up but I had no real reason to be happy lol.
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Interesting idea on Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:57 am

fooneyguy

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 6

This is a very interesting idea you have. I tried something like it myself a couple of years ago with hypnosis. I'll fill you in on my experiences.

I learned a technique for hypnosis a few years back. It started out as just some fun with my friends, making them think their sock was a gas mask and that sort of thing. I got the idea of time dilation (that's what I heard it called once) from somewhere I can't even remember. I think it was researching psionics or maybe speed readin. Anyhow I thought that maybe since in a dream you can experience a very large amount in a relatively short amount of actual time then maybe with hypnosis that amount of time could be put to some use. It was based on the fact that your subconscious stores more information than your conscious mind can use. So if you were to skim over a book while not really reading it your subconcsious mind will keep some of that information.

Based on this I had my friend Skim over a book without reading any of the actual words. (I cannot be hypnotized) I then put him under fully and instructed him that he would have a dream that lasted a week in the next five minutes. During which he would study the book in depth. It worked to some extent. What was more amazing is how freaked out he was when he woke up, thinking that an extra week had passed.

It did not work quite as I had hoped. Most of the book was very vague to him, however there was one part that was somewhat remarkable. The first chapter and introduction, which he actually read prior to the hypnosis, he had memorized word for word.

I still believe the theory is sound but that was the end of my experimentation with it. If you know anyone who is good at hypnosis and you can be hypnotized that my be worth exploring.

You might also try self hypnosis to this effect. One thing I must caution you towards, if you have something to do the next day early in the morning, don't tell yourself to experience twelve hours while you sleep. Trust me you'll end up sleeping right through your alarm.
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Re: Interesting idea on Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:54 am

FinallyEffingJoined

Joined: 08 Jul 2006
Posts: 223

fooneyguy wrote:
This is a very interesting idea you have. I tried something like it myself a couple of years ago with hypnosis. I'll fill you in on my experiences.

I learned a technique for hypnosis a few years back. It started out as just some fun with my friends, making them think their sock was a gas mask and that sort of thing. I got the idea of time dilation (that's what I heard it called once) from somewhere I can't even remember. I think it was researching psionics or maybe speed readin. Anyhow I thought that maybe since in a dream you can experience a very large amount in a relatively short amount of actual time then maybe with hypnosis that amount of time could be put to some use. It was based on the fact that your subconscious stores more information than your conscious mind can use. So if you were to skim over a book while not really reading it your subconcsious mind will keep some of that information.

Based on this I had my friend Skim over a book without reading any of the actual words. (I cannot be hypnotized) I then put him under fully and instructed him that he would have a dream that lasted a week in the next five minutes. During which he would study the book in depth. It worked to some extent. What was more amazing is how freaked out he was when he woke up, thinking that an extra week had passed.

It did not work quite as I had hoped. Most of the book was very vague to him, however there was one part that was somewhat remarkable. The first chapter and introduction, which he actually read prior to the hypnosis, he had memorized word for word.

I still believe the theory is sound but that was the end of my experimentation with it. If you know anyone who is good at hypnosis and you can be hypnotized that my be worth exploring.

You might also try self hypnosis to this effect. One thing I must caution you towards, if you have something to do the next day early in the morning, don't tell yourself to experience twelve hours while you sleep. Trust me you'll end up sleeping right through your alarm.


Ahhh sweeeet man... sweeeet.. i have totally gotta try that. Any specified methods of hypnotizing? i could htink of all sorts of uses for such.
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Re: Interesting idea on Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:06 pm

FrostyChaotix

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 74

fooneyguy wrote:
This is a very interesting idea you have. I tried something like it myself a couple of years ago with hypnosis. I'll fill you in on my experiences.

I learned a technique for hypnosis a few years back. It started out as just some fun with my friends, making them think their sock was a gas mask and that sort of thing. I got the idea of time dilation (that's what I heard it called once) from somewhere I can't even remember. I think it was researching psionics or maybe speed readin. Anyhow I thought that maybe since in a dream you can experience a very large amount in a relatively short amount of actual time then maybe with hypnosis that amount of time could be put to some use. It was based on the fact that your subconscious stores more information than your conscious mind can use. So if you were to skim over a book while not really reading it your subconcsious mind will keep some of that information.

Based on this I had my friend Skim over a book without reading any of the actual words. (I cannot be hypnotized) I then put him under fully and instructed him that he would have a dream that lasted a week in the next five minutes. During which he would study the book in depth. It worked to some extent. What was more amazing is how freaked out he was when he woke up, thinking that an extra week had passed.

It did not work quite as I had hoped. Most of the book was very vague to him, however there was one part that was somewhat remarkable. The first chapter and introduction, which he actually read prior to the hypnosis, he had memorized word for word.

I still believe the theory is sound but that was the end of my experimentation with it. If you know anyone who is good at hypnosis and you can be hypnotized that my be worth exploring.

You might also try self hypnosis to this effect. One thing I must caution you towards, if you have something to do the next day early in the morning, don't tell yourself to experience twelve hours while you sleep. Trust me you'll end up sleeping right through your alarm.


Wow, loved it! I'm interested in self-hypnosis, what technique did you use?

Come to think of it... we can link various psionic abilities to help with this. First, making a psi construct to induce lucid dreaming. Second, do self-hypnosis to make you dream and 'create' the dream scene. And then, train psychokinesis while dreaming. Sounds difficult to do, but pretty useful.
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:16 am

fooneyguy

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 6

Well teaching hypnosis is not something that would fit into a forum post. It would even be a _very_ long article. There are alot of good books out on the subject. That's how I learned. There's a small percentage of people that can be hypnotised deeply though. My friend just happened to be in that percentage. If you're not you can work on it with self hypnosis. It takes some daily practice but I got pretty good at it. I used the self hypnosis kit. It sounds lame but it comes with a book and a kit. Their technique works pretty well. It takes some patience but it's worth it.

>IMPORTANT<
You need to approach this with caution. It is possible to mess up yourself or someone else. There can be unforseen effects of any suggestions. think things through before you say them. Your subconscious mind might interpret things differently than you might think.
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:59 am

jesserevis

Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Posts: 27

I am going to try in my next lucid dream but...

My friend recently told me about her dream, she is a natural LD'er, and she said she did TK and could feel how it felt to move things with her mind.
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Posted on Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:25 am

FrostyChaotix

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 74

jesserevis wrote:
I am going to try in my next lucid dream but...

My friend recently told me about her dream, she is a natural LD'er, and she said she did TK and could feel how it felt to move things with her mind.


I had one LD where I could move things with my mind easily but i wasn't that interest at that time. I closed a refrigerator door: First, i approached my hand and tried it... and both my hands and the refrigerator door started to glow blue. Then I closed it as if it was the simplest thing ever (in the dream of course =P)
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