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thinking on Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:19 pm

johnyo5

Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 177

Rolling Eyes this is probably stupid but I was thinking Rolling Eyes if psi = life force. Then psi pets are made from life force, so if an abject has a life force isn?t it alive? And if it was alive wouldn?t it know it was alive? So wouldn?t it have some sort off primitive awareness? And if it did wouldn?t it feel pain when you destroy it? Confused

sorry if this is stupid Sad
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Posted on Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:30 pm

pepsiboy

Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 562

only if it exists on this plane is it alive. psi pets are not LIVING creatures. whatever they are they do not feel pain and etc.. so the answer to ur Question is no.
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Re: thinking on Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:03 am

sparkz

Joined: 02 Feb 2006
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That primitive awareness would only have been part of your programming. the same thing goes for if you want it to feel pain or not.
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Posted on Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:37 pm

Peebrain

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Some people do think that psi pets are "alive". How can you tell either way? No one really knows what qualifies something as "alive", so it's hard to tell if what you create is "alive".

~Sean
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Posted on Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:10 pm

Kinji

Joined: 25 Jun 2006
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A guy at work and I had a discussion about beings that were spawned by the consciousness and energies of man. (Not trying to be religious... or anti-religious Smile ) but things like Satan, God, Demons, Angels... whatever. Though we didn't discuss the roots of them; We came to a mutual agreement that so much energy was placed into these beings from people just thinking/believing in them that eventually they became real beings and developed a conscious of their own. So, in relationship to your post I think it is possible for Psipets to become real/living and begin to feel. But, if it would require a ton of energy to do so. I'm not sure I agree with the 'because it doesn't exist on this plane it's not alive' idea. Since everything is made of energy, this plane is simply a certain vibration of that energy which we all 'intersect' on, sort of like the things/people on this plane are all in range of each other so we 'exist together'... this is my believe anyway, not saying it is or isn't... so throwing out some more ideas for consideration, do with them what you will. Smile
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Posted on Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:14 pm

honorable_psion

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 104

Kinji wrote:
A guy at work and I had a discussion about beings that were spawned by the consciousness and energies of man. (Not trying to be religious... or anti-religious Smile ) but things like Satan, God, Demons, Angels... whatever. Though we didn't discuss the roots of them; We came to a mutual agreement that so much energy was placed into these beings from people just thinking/believing in them that eventually they became real beings and developed a conscious of their own.



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Posted on Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:15 am

pepsiboy

Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 562

you know .. its hard to argue on this when people question if abortion is right or not every day i dont think we're going to come up with a conclusion to what is all that is alive
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Posted on Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:33 am

Tasvel

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 31

In all honesty, this question cannot be answered, because we have no definition for what it means to be "alive". I could explain what I mean, but these people do a far better job of it.

Basically, the term "life" is misleading, as there is really no identifiable difference between something that is alive and something that is not. The term itself is most likely just a societal construct. That gets into religion, though, so I'll leave it alone.

To answer your question - I bet you could create a construct that had characteristics that are indifferentiable from a living thing. Would you consider, however, a psiball to be alive? A psiball is, unless I am mistaken, just an extremely primitive construct. Ergo, while a construct could be alive, not all constructs are.

Ambiguity at its finest. Sorry. Sad
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:30 am

MetaAlchemy

Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 110

pepsiboy wrote:
only if it exists on this plane is it alive. psi pets are not LIVING creatures.

Bullshit.

Psi-"pets" can become even more intelligent, alive and real then human ghosts.

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No one really knows what qualifies something as "alive"

Peebrain, I'm surprised at you.

They are very much "alive", and their complexity/quality will vary.
Even an earthworm is "alive", and psi-"pets" are more advanced then that.
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:16 pm

Tasvel

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 31

MetaAlchemy wrote:
They are very much "alive", and their complexity/quality will vary.
Even an earthworm is "alive", and psi-"pets" are more advanced then that.


I ask you: what qualifies something as "alive"? Complexity?

A sea sponge is "alive" (according to modern science), yet they cannot feel pain. My computer, however, can be programmed to respond with a scream of pain when a certain button is pressed - I can even make pressing that button hurt its internal workings. Does that make my computer more alive than a sea sponge?
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:30 pm

freakinrican626

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 514

Tasvel wrote:
In all honesty, this question cannot be answered, because we have no definition for what it means to be "alive". I could explain what I mean, but these people do a far better job of it.

Basically, the term "life" is misleading, as there is really no identifiable difference between something that is alive and something that is not. The term itself is most likely just a societal construct. That gets into religion, though, so I'll leave it alone.

To answer your question - I bet you could create a construct that had characteristics that are indifferentiable from a living thing. Would you consider, however, a psiball to be alive? A psiball is, unless I am mistaken, just an extremely primitive construct. Ergo, while a construct could be alive, not all constructs are.

Ambiguity at its finest. Sorry. Sad




ya i don't think we know enough to be able to accurately answer this question. i naturally lean more to what kinji said if i have to pick a theory, but i'm not gonna say it's definitive cause like Tas said, because the term life is misleading.
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Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:05 pm

pepsiboy

Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 562

MetaAlchemy wrote:
pepsiboy wrote:
only if it exists on this plane is it alive. psi pets are not LIVING creatures.

Bullshit.

Psi-"pets" can become even more intelligent, alive and real then human ghosts.

Even an earthworm is "alive", and psi-"pets" are more advanced then that.


bullshit times infinity

if your PSI pet is more advanced than why cant you simply turn that psi INTO an earthworm? you can't
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Posted on Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:56 am

johnyo5

Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 177

there was a post some where saying if you could get ALOT of psi and make it realy dence then you could make a solid object so you may be able to make an earthworm, allthough its doutfull because it would take alot of energy, skill and years of practice it maybe even take longer then we are alive for Shocked
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Posted on Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:47 pm

PsiGuy60

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 900

I'd say this: if you program a psipet to feel emotions, pain and think for itself, then its alive.
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Posted on Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:43 am

Heolstor

Joined: 17 Feb 2006
Posts: 56

it could be possible.. like having a split personality.. although i don't know if the concept of creating another consciousness in your mind is the same with creating a psipet.. but hey who knows.. if you lock up your emotions for so long a consciousness comes to exist feeding from that emotion.. so maybe, if you keep on feeding that psipet eno9ugh energy.. i guess it could come to life.. maybe..
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