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Posted on Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:49 pm

Droshi

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 89

I've played around a bit with moving photons, the problem is they are so damn fast. What you need to do is set up a construct that moves any light that passes through it, as a side note this makes the construct visible.

I've tried making objects invisible, the only problem for me that I can't figure out is that they just become distorted Sad
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Posted on Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:19 pm

psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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UltimateBlob wrote:
Or you could program a psiball to act as a black-hole, and bend only light. Bit dangerous though.


haha! Do you know how much power you would need to make a black hole? You would need the equivelant amount of energy as a dead star! Think about how much energy you would need to suck in planets and even light itself. It's not possible to manipulate light in my opinion, since with a black hole, it can suck in planets, but it's the only thing in the universe that can actually suck in light. Have you ever seen light being bent or sucked in anywhere on earth? Of course not, because there is no other source as powerful as a black hole. It's just not possible to bend or affect light like that.

The only thing you can do to light without making a black hole is reflect it. You could take a telekinetic that can pull planets and stars towards them, but I bet you they could still not manipulate light. It's the strongest and the hardest thing in the universe to penetrate.
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Posted on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:15 pm

Droshi

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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psi_manipulator_3000 wrote:
haha! Do you know how much power you would need to make a black hole? You would need the equivelant amount of energy as a dead star! Think about how much energy you would need to suck in planets and even light itself. It's not possible to manipulate light in my opinion, since with a black hole, it can suck in planets, but it's the only thing in the universe that can actually suck in light. Have you ever seen light being bent or sucked in anywhere on earth? Of course not, because there is no other source as powerful as a black hole. It's just not possible to bend or affect light like that.

The only thing you can do to light without making a black hole is reflect it. You could take a telekinetic that can pull planets and stars towards them, but I bet you they could still not manipulate light. It's the strongest and the hardest thing in the universe to penetrate.


How much energy is around you to use? How much is a lot? How much is too much? How many joules does it take to make a black hole? I don't know the answer to any of those questions, if you do I guess you can make those claims, if not I don't see the point really.

psi_manipulator_3000 wrote:
It's the strongest and the hardest thing in the universe to penetrate.


Any proof or theory to support this? To me this claim doesn't make sense, light photons are small and fast moving (3^8 m/s), but the hardest thing in the universe to penetrate? What does that even mean? Do you have any experience in moving photons or a stream of reflected photons?

My point with all this is to point out that your responses seem to me to be based solely on opinion or what makes sense to you at the time. If this is not the case feel free to correct me and back it up with something, or at least give supporting arguments.
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Posted on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:07 pm

Kaiandy

Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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Dont make a black hole...sounds kinda stupid, could end up killing everyone if you were successful.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:35 am

conaner

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
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to move light i'm thinking you could try doing what crystal does: refract the light. this doesn't move light, but it causes light to change its path due to the speed of light going down as a function of its frequency.
thats my 2cents, i dont think anybody will do it though but i like to be surprized.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:27 pm

psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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[quote="Droshi"]
psi_manipulator_3000 wrote:
It's the strongest and the hardest thing in the universe to penetrate.


Hmmm...sorry, about that, I seemed to use the wrong word. What I meant was that the last possible thing that a black hole can suck in is light. An example of this is if you were to make a vacuum cleaner so powerful it could move a house, it won't affect light. It's actually quite hard to explain. Light would be the last thing in the universe you could move because it's so fast and strong. This may not apply to what you can do with light and psionics, but I was just stating that light is very, very hard to affect apart from refracting and reflecting. I hope that was clear.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:44 pm

Lerygen

Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Well I was actually reading a magazine one time. Scientists have actually created a man-made black hole but it's so minute and lasts only like millionths of a second that it's basically useless. They used a huge particle accelerator miles long to do it....miles long. So yeah, it's pretty hard to do that eh? Pretty much the only reason they did it is to prove that other dimensions exist
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:49 pm

psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Did they throw hamsters into it? :lol
(edit): Or even better, bananas! Laughing
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:54 pm

Stupplecrout

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Light is neither a particle or a wave, it is a duality, which means it is both and nbeither at the same time. It displays characteristics of both. Photons are little energy packets essentially, and while technically they are light, it's much more of the concept we have created to cope with things like the photoelectric effect.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:25 pm

Droshi

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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[quote="psi_manipulator_3000]What I meant was that the last possible thing that a black hole can suck in is light.[/quote]

I thought that was the defination of a black hole.

[quote="psi_manipulator_3000]Light would be the last thing in the universe you could move because it's so fast and strong.[/quote]

I'll buy this somewhat, light is indeed fast (3^8 m/s) and changing its direction would need a good bit of acceleration in the direction you want, but I wouldn't say it is impossible or the last thing you can move, it is still energy and in my experience it is easily affected. Not only creating constructs that distort light, but ones that give off light are possible and not too hard with practice. At least these statements are true for me.

Stupplecrout wrote:
Light is neither a particle or a wave, it is a duality, which means it is both and nbeither at the same time. It displays characteristics of both. Photons are little energy packets essentially, and while technically they are light, it's much more of the concept we have created to cope with things like the photoelectric effect.


I understand what you are saying, and yes there are many models to explain the movement of light. But I fail to see how it affects our ability to effect light psionically. Insight into the way that light works may give us a better understanding on how to bend it and such, but I guess I'm just saying that I don't understand your point really.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:34 pm

FrostBitten

Joined: 22 May 2006
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Alright, time for some frost-facts.
You may think this is easy because light has no mass, wrong, everything that is made of atoms has some mass no matter how small. Light moves so fast that you can't even think of altering it's path with pk, move onto something else. Manipulating light would be harder than manipulating a speeding bullet.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:25 pm

Droshi

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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frost-facts eh? what I see there is half-truths.

I have personally had experience with constructs that distorted light, and others that emitted light...this either means that I'm lying, or that you just decided something was harder than anything on the planet because you can't do it. *shrug*

FrostBitten wrote:
You may think this is easy because light has no mass, wrong, everything that is made of atoms has some mass no matter how small. Light moves so fast that you can't even think of altering it's path with pk, move onto something else. Manipulating light would be harder than manipulating a speeding bullet.


It is not that light has no mass, and I don't see where you have to "think" about moving every single photon or wave if you make a construct that does it. It's just like telekinesis in some ways on regular objects. You don't need to think about moving every single atom at once, you just need a general awareness of how the object should move as a whole.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:33 pm

FrostBitten

Joined: 22 May 2006
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Droshi wrote:
frost-facts eh? what I see there is half-truths.

I have personally had experience with constructs that distorted light, and others that emitted light...this either means that I'm lying, or that you just decided something was harder than anything on the planet because you can't do it. *shrug*

FrostBitten wrote:
You may think this is easy because light has no mass, wrong, everything that is made of atoms has some mass no matter how small. Light moves so fast that you can't even think of altering it's path with pk, move onto something else. Manipulating light would be harder than manipulating a speeding bullet.


It is not that light has no mass, and I don't see where you have to "think" about moving every single photon or wave if you make a construct that does it. It's just like telekinesis in some ways on regular objects. You don't need to think about moving every single atom at once, you just need a general awareness of how the object should move as a whole.
I wasn't referring to a construct, that's different, because a construct does what it's told not what it's able to do. I was referring to literally trying to bend light with pk.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:48 pm

Droshi

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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You can't make a construct to do something that you wouldn't be able to do without it. It just makes it much easier to maintain something so that you don't have to concentrate on it.
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Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:52 pm

psi_manipulator_3000

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Droshi wrote:
You can't make a construct to do something that you wouldn't be able to do without it.


Right, so you are saying that we can bend light? I think not. This is hte same as being able change the direction of and manipulate a psiwheel flying at you at the speed of light. You say that you don't have to concentrate on every particle at once, this is true, but with particles moving that fast you don't even have a chance to concentrate your energy enough to get an effect on it.
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