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I was moving the psi-wheel but... TK Needs More Thought on Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:33 pm

Amp

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3

Realization:
I really thought it was real, and I'm kind of questioning it now. I was moving the psi-wheel then I stumbled upon this:

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Uncovered%20psi%20wheel.html

That site's really experimental also, looks extremely well-thought out and legit.

Verification:
To double-check it, I tried heating up my hands then using the psi-wheel. It moved immediately and faster every time.

Reinforcement
Now that I think of it, even the videos of heaver TK things show the objects being either rotated in a stationary position or just moving in jerky, straight lines.

That is, they are all being moved at the same point on the object which is pretty much what you do on the fishing-line attached to the dollar bill trick.

Question:
How can this be explained?

Analysis
Even if it can, and even if the videos of heaver objects being moved by TK are real, it is obvious that the psi-wheel can be moved easily by the warmer, rising wind currents created from heat sources near the psi-wheel.

Conclusion:
Thus, we as a community need to come up with something better for beginners to get started on TK with.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:21 pm

PeBubble

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 69

anyone here make a video doing PK where the wheel's covered and you are standing like 5m away? :S
Makes me sad somehow :S

edit:
I've tested that now...
I've heated my hands... as far as i could (yea it did hurt lol)
and errr...
it didn't rotate at all, the room wasn't heated...
so what?

I'm completely confused now :S

And i doubt that my construction is too "difficult" to move, because i could move it with using my mind ... just about 30 degrees (doing this for 3 days now...), but that after waiting until the wobbling caused by my moving hands had stopped
but it did move
with the heated hands, it didn't move at all, just the wobbling when moving my hands next to it :S
and when "using" my mind, my hands weren't placed like that, just my fingers were pointing to it...
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:10 pm

pyroman098

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 916

i know telekinesis is real because i can slide things from across the room...wanna know how you can get proof? its the easiest way there is.....what you do is: learn telekinesis for yourself, until you can slide things and then you'll know its real too!
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radiometer on Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:43 pm

Rainsong

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Radiometer is a better test, but a pinwheel is easier to get. With a pinwheel, yes, you can move it with heat instead. With a radiometer, either there is light on it or there isn't. The objective is to stop it from spinning while light is spinning it, without interfering with the light source. Other than PK, there is no known way to accomplish this. It is therefore a better test. The apparatus costs ten or twenty dollars, and can be purchased from science-geek type places. (Edmund Scientific carries them, for example.)
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:09 pm

Amp

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3

PeBubble wrote:
anyone here make a video doing PK where the wheel's covered and you are standing like 5m away? :S
Makes me sad somehow :S

edit:
I've tested that now...
I've heated my hands... as far as i could (yea it did hurt lol)
and errr...
it didn't rotate at all, the room wasn't heated...
so what?

I'm completely confused now :S

And i doubt that my construction is too "difficult" to move, because i could move it with using my mind ... just about 30 degrees (doing this for 3 days now...), but that after waiting until the wobbling caused by my moving hands had stopped
but it did move
with the heated hands, it didn't move at all, just the wobbling when moving my hands next to it :S
and when "using" my mind, my hands weren't placed like
that, just my fingers were pointing to it...

That's because it's summer right now and the air is warmer compared to your hands than in the winter.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:14 pm

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

It's also because there's countless ways to 'disprove' TK.

there's 100 different ways NOT to make a lightbulb, does that mean that working lightbulbs are fake?

Just to put the essence of your statement into context.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:15 pm

paraplayer

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 147

put your hands in cold water. If pk is real then it will still spin. I've done it before. Try it yourself.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Apollo

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1589

mattz1010 wrote:
It's also because there's countless ways to 'disprove' TK.

there's 100 different ways NOT to make a lightbulb, does that mean that working lightbulbs are fake?

Just to put the essence of your statement into context.


i used that example in that skeptic forum (Keith Mayers) and he didnt seem to grasp that idea.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:46 pm

randywm

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 510

Nothing that I havent heard before. But once you start rolling ( which I did last night) the heat aspect gets out of the equation.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:45 pm

Amp

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3

paraplayer wrote:
put your hands in cold water. If pk is real then it will still spin. I've done it before. Try it yourself.

Then that creates cold currents and the previously regular temperatured currents are now relatively warm..
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:51 pm

paraplayer

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 147

I'm not saying cold enough water to freeze your hand just enough to nullify the heat coming from them for a little bit. Bah i guess that wouldn't be good enough.

Juts try it from a distance or under a jar.
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Posted on Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:52 pm

caligo

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 6

I think actually part of the reason newbies start on psi wheels IS because there is warm air current from your hands. Couple of years ago when I started this I realized that probably thats the reasoning behind the pointed shape as well. However, the warmth from your hands is usually not enough to move it. It simply makes it easier to move. There is a large number of begginers who give up after a few tries, and never pick up the skill. Sure, it introduces doubt, but once you get it and move onto heavier objects like pencils that doubt disapears.

When I started I found that exact same page you linked. And yes their experiments are quite nice in demonstrating the flaws of the psi wheel. On the other hand a large amount of people in psi pog and other forums have claimed that they can move heavier objects. Furthermore there is a surprising amount of people around the world in this and other simillar communities. Are we all being fooled? Is this some kind of self perpetuating histeria fueled by the promise of seeing something "magical"? I don't know, I can't tell you. I guess you are going to have to try it and see what you think about it yourself.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:18 am

PeBubble

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 69

Amp wrote:
PeBubble wrote:
<shortening this post by replacing this quote with a link:>
http://www.psipog.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=32686#32686

That's because it's summer right now and the air is warmer compared to your hands than in the winter.

It's summer, right, but we still have like 5?C around here and lots of rain...
... and i wonder why :S

Or maybe the original thought behind was to create a much better "You see it so you can do it"-Effect?
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:10 am

Kief

Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 120

Yep, the guy knows what he's talking about.

People can delude themselves very easily. They still are, right here, right now.
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Posted on Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:40 pm

FrostBitten

Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 165

Skeptics: They aren't until their opinions make us ALL stop practicing something that we have been practicing for so long.
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